Pour les Shindengen mosfet il y a ça:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FURUKAWA-CONNEC ... 0397335835
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http://www.easternbeaver.com/Main/Elec_ ... ctors.html
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Reference regulateur
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desmophil
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Donc ces connecteurs et un régulateur de R1 c'est tout bon ? (pour une Bifaro aussi ?)desmophil a écrit :Pour les Shindengen mosfet il y a ça:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FURUKAWA-CONNEC ... 0397335835
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http://www.easternbeaver.com/Main/Elec_ ... ctors.html
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C ca ? cool !
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euh non un Bifaro n'a pas ce type de connecteur.ça le fait pas.... 
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D'ac...Merci lucky...j'essaierais de trouver sur le forum ou demanderais aux connaisseurs toutes les précos de vérifications/changements pour une Bifaro...que je devrais rapatrier Mardi...si le ramage vaut le plumage 
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Pour le bifaro, si tu décides d'utiliser ce type de régulateur, tu peux:Donc ces connecteurs et un régulateur de R1 c'est tout bon ? (pour une Bifaro aussi ?)
- Soit sortir une à une les cosses de la prise du faisceau avec un mini tournevis.
Les rebrancher une à une sur le régulateur comme indiqué sur le site ci-dessus (Easternbeaver .com)
. Les 3 phases de l'alternateur sur la prise côté gris, en bas à gauche.
. Le + et le - batterie sur la prise côté noir à droite; le + rouge à l'intérieur et le - noir à l'extérieur.
- Soit commander les connecteurs de ce site internet, et ressertir les fils de ton faisceau sur les cosses fournies que tu clipsera ensuite dans les connecteurs fournis. Conseillé (si tu as la bonne pince à sertir adaptée à ce type de cosses), car c'est toujours bon de repartir avec des cosses neuves.
- Tu peux par la même occasion rebrancher la diode de protection qui est planquée et banchée dans notre connecteur côté faisceau (respecter la polarité).
Dans tous las cas tu n'auras pas de sortie pour le voyant de charge. Ca n'est pas prévu dans ce type de redresseur puisque cette indication est maintenant gérée par les centrales électroniques.
Mickey
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Mickey
tout simplement MERCI!
tout simplement MERCI!
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Bonsoir, si tu veux files moi ton mail j'ai un plan de cablage de AC modifié par mes soins,mais il est en PDF et je ne peux pas le mettre en pièce jointe dans le post.
ça coute rien et ça peut te donner une idée du boulot a réaliser,sachant qu'il y a la partie charge + éclairage.
C'est vous qui voyez...
ça coute rien et ça peut te donner une idée du boulot a réaliser,sachant qu'il y a la partie charge + éclairage.
C'est vous qui voyez...
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infos (désolé en anglais) trouvé sur un forum pour les Alazzurra ça peut servir pour nos elefant 
Ducati / Cagiva Rectifier / Regulators, Alazzurra onwards.
Refer to drawing.
The “stuff” on the LHS of each drawing represents the Cagiva “Alazzurra”
charge control circuit. I will develop and explain its extension to other models in the ranges.
“A” through to “E” are representative sketches of rectifier / regulators as fitted or suitable for
these models.
The Alazzurra
has a single phase alternator, with a centre tapped “return” lead. The two main
output wires are normally coloured “Yellow”, with the tapped return lead “Red”, but there are
alternative colour schemes. --- just expect two wires of one colour, with a third return.
The main battery positive lead is a thick red wire joining the thick lead from the battery at the
starter solenoid.
There is an orange / blue wire connected to the charge indicator lamp.
A red / blue wire connects a reference “ignition live” battery voltage from the main ignition relay.
Notes for other models
Indiana, Elefant, F1 etc. pick up the “main ignition” direct from a fuse
after the ignition switch, rather than the relay. Some later models do not have a charge warning
lamp. Later models have (effectively) the same single phase alternator, but NO third return
lead. Their regulators can be used on Alazzurra, BUT not the Alazzurra's unit on (say) 900
superSport. The (much) later models (eg Monster) have a three phase rectifier / regulator
which can be used on an earlier model, but an earlier rectifier / regulator can NOT be used with a
later 3- phase alternator.
Rectifier / Regulators—A to E
“A” is the original fitment for the Alazzurra. These are stamped with markings such as :-
ZEM, Ducati, 12v, 25A, 8403, 34 35 82.
The “12V” and “25 A” are self explanatory, whilst the 8403 tells the manufacturing time (week 3
of 1984) the last number (34 35 82) is the model number of the unit; it is NOT a Ducati part
number. My 750 Indiana had an identical unit (but painted black) with model number (34 35 11).
One on a 906 Paso looks the same.
The connectors, which are all 6.4mm spades, are indicated by the drawing.---
“C” goes to Red/Blue, “L” goes to Orange/Blue, “+B” goes to the thick Red from the main
battery pickup at the starter solenoid, “R” goes to Red from alternator and each of the “G”
spades connect to one of the two Yellow wires from the alternator.
The unit MUST be well earthed through the case mounting on the 'bike.
“B” was fitted to many later models. (eg, 900 SuperSport, some 900 Elefants). These are
usually stamped Ducati Energia. One was numbered (34 36 38), a second (34 35 24) was probably
identical. The 900 SuperSport manual shows the connectors with numbers, which I show on the
sketch, but I have yet to see any numbers on any of these regulators. The Ducati models with the
“B” regulators had only two wires from the alternators, the tapped return being omitted, but they
are suitable for use on Alazzurra, with the following connections.----
The yellow wires, 1 and 2, replace the two “G” spades. The two red wires, 3 and 4 together replace
the “B+” spade, the white wire, 5 replaces the “L” spade, and the black wire, 6 replaces the “C”
spade. NOTICE there is no wire to replace the “R” spade, and hence NO CONNECTION to the
red wire from the alternator, which MUST be tied back and well insulated from making ANY
contact with anything!
“C” This is a Japanese “Shindengen” unit fitted to many Jap 'bikes of the mid eighties. Page 2
Steve Wynne supplied me with one; not sure if it was an authorised Ducati replacement part. I
have two of these, one is plain, one has a red label with “SHINDENGEN”, “ 12V”, “
REGULATOR”, “RECTIFIER”, “ SH 548 – 12”, and “ 30”. I guess the last number (30)
indicates 30Amps. The connection block (much smaller than my sketch suggests) which has 6
spades, is viewed looking into it, and notice the thick “indent” which fixes the orientation of a
connecting plug.
This is in fact a “3-Phase” unit, but is OK for single phase alternators.
Connect as follows for Alazzurra: “E” must connect to earth, as must the casing. The Red / Blue
ignition wire connects to “I” . The thick red battery supply lead is “B+”. The two Yellow alternator
leads go to two of the “Y” terminals.
NOTE: The third “Y” terminal MUST NOT be used!
There is NO CONNECTION to the red wire from the alternator, which MUST be tied back and
well insulated from making ANY contact with anything!! Notice also no indicator warning lamp is
possible with this unit, so the orange / blue wire must also be tied back and insulated.
“D” Is another three phase “Shindengen” unit, as fitted to such as the Monsters. (Please
note, I have not seen one of these, the following is what I deduce from the service manual) there
appears to be a block of four wires, and a second block of three wires.
Connections are as follows for the Monsters etc. -- The two Black wires connect to earth. The
two Red wires connect to the Battery supply. The three (separate) Yellow wires connect to the
3-phase alternator.
When using this for an Alazzurra, the connections are similar to “C” above, again noting :--
The two Yellow alternator leads go to the “Y” connections. NOTICE again the third “Y” MUST not
be connected, and again NO CONNECTION to the red wire from the alternator, which MUST be
tied back and well insulated from making ANY contact with anything!! Again no charge indicator
warning lamp is possible with this unit. What is different is that there is no need for a feed back
from the ignition circuit, so both the Orange / Blue wire and the Red / Blue wire should also be
tied back and insulated. Battery voltage sensing is done internally from the battery output.
“E”. I understand from 1998 on, a “Shindengen” unit is used, having a two wire block and a
four wire block.
I have not seen one yet, OR a circuit diagram, so can not advise at the moment, but any
information is welcome.
Elefant, 1987, 1988. Japanese Regulator. I have only recently looked at the regulators
on my 1987 750 and 1988 350 Elefants, to realise that they are physically smaller than the
“Ducati et al” versions, and look to be of Japanese manufacture. They have coloured wires which
terminate in a connection block identical in form to the “D” Shindengen, BUT these are for single
phase not three phase. The connections are as follows:-
2 off Yellows = 2 off Yellows input from alternator.
Black to Earth, AND also connected to mounting screw Earth.
Red with White. This is the battery “sense” wire, Notice the diode to Earth connection.
White wire (shown grey on drawing) is the main BATTERY live feed.
White with Grey. This is the output feed to the charge indicator lamp.
voila les schéma explicatif des différentes versions:
Ducati / Cagiva Rectifier / Regulators, Alazzurra onwards.
Refer to drawing.
The “stuff” on the LHS of each drawing represents the Cagiva “Alazzurra”
charge control circuit. I will develop and explain its extension to other models in the ranges.
“A” through to “E” are representative sketches of rectifier / regulators as fitted or suitable for
these models.
The Alazzurra
has a single phase alternator, with a centre tapped “return” lead. The two main
output wires are normally coloured “Yellow”, with the tapped return lead “Red”, but there are
alternative colour schemes. --- just expect two wires of one colour, with a third return.
The main battery positive lead is a thick red wire joining the thick lead from the battery at the
starter solenoid.
There is an orange / blue wire connected to the charge indicator lamp.
A red / blue wire connects a reference “ignition live” battery voltage from the main ignition relay.
Notes for other models
Indiana, Elefant, F1 etc. pick up the “main ignition” direct from a fuse
after the ignition switch, rather than the relay. Some later models do not have a charge warning
lamp. Later models have (effectively) the same single phase alternator, but NO third return
lead. Their regulators can be used on Alazzurra, BUT not the Alazzurra's unit on (say) 900
superSport. The (much) later models (eg Monster) have a three phase rectifier / regulator
which can be used on an earlier model, but an earlier rectifier / regulator can NOT be used with a
later 3- phase alternator.
Rectifier / Regulators—A to E
“A” is the original fitment for the Alazzurra. These are stamped with markings such as :-
ZEM, Ducati, 12v, 25A, 8403, 34 35 82.
The “12V” and “25 A” are self explanatory, whilst the 8403 tells the manufacturing time (week 3
of 1984) the last number (34 35 82) is the model number of the unit; it is NOT a Ducati part
number. My 750 Indiana had an identical unit (but painted black) with model number (34 35 11).
One on a 906 Paso looks the same.
The connectors, which are all 6.4mm spades, are indicated by the drawing.---
“C” goes to Red/Blue, “L” goes to Orange/Blue, “+B” goes to the thick Red from the main
battery pickup at the starter solenoid, “R” goes to Red from alternator and each of the “G”
spades connect to one of the two Yellow wires from the alternator.
The unit MUST be well earthed through the case mounting on the 'bike.
“B” was fitted to many later models. (eg, 900 SuperSport, some 900 Elefants). These are
usually stamped Ducati Energia. One was numbered (34 36 38), a second (34 35 24) was probably
identical. The 900 SuperSport manual shows the connectors with numbers, which I show on the
sketch, but I have yet to see any numbers on any of these regulators. The Ducati models with the
“B” regulators had only two wires from the alternators, the tapped return being omitted, but they
are suitable for use on Alazzurra, with the following connections.----
The yellow wires, 1 and 2, replace the two “G” spades. The two red wires, 3 and 4 together replace
the “B+” spade, the white wire, 5 replaces the “L” spade, and the black wire, 6 replaces the “C”
spade. NOTICE there is no wire to replace the “R” spade, and hence NO CONNECTION to the
red wire from the alternator, which MUST be tied back and well insulated from making ANY
contact with anything!
“C” This is a Japanese “Shindengen” unit fitted to many Jap 'bikes of the mid eighties. Page 2
Steve Wynne supplied me with one; not sure if it was an authorised Ducati replacement part. I
have two of these, one is plain, one has a red label with “SHINDENGEN”, “ 12V”, “
REGULATOR”, “RECTIFIER”, “ SH 548 – 12”, and “ 30”. I guess the last number (30)
indicates 30Amps. The connection block (much smaller than my sketch suggests) which has 6
spades, is viewed looking into it, and notice the thick “indent” which fixes the orientation of a
connecting plug.
This is in fact a “3-Phase” unit, but is OK for single phase alternators.
Connect as follows for Alazzurra: “E” must connect to earth, as must the casing. The Red / Blue
ignition wire connects to “I” . The thick red battery supply lead is “B+”. The two Yellow alternator
leads go to two of the “Y” terminals.
NOTE: The third “Y” terminal MUST NOT be used!
There is NO CONNECTION to the red wire from the alternator, which MUST be tied back and
well insulated from making ANY contact with anything!! Notice also no indicator warning lamp is
possible with this unit, so the orange / blue wire must also be tied back and insulated.
“D” Is another three phase “Shindengen” unit, as fitted to such as the Monsters. (Please
note, I have not seen one of these, the following is what I deduce from the service manual) there
appears to be a block of four wires, and a second block of three wires.
Connections are as follows for the Monsters etc. -- The two Black wires connect to earth. The
two Red wires connect to the Battery supply. The three (separate) Yellow wires connect to the
3-phase alternator.
When using this for an Alazzurra, the connections are similar to “C” above, again noting :--
The two Yellow alternator leads go to the “Y” connections. NOTICE again the third “Y” MUST not
be connected, and again NO CONNECTION to the red wire from the alternator, which MUST be
tied back and well insulated from making ANY contact with anything!! Again no charge indicator
warning lamp is possible with this unit. What is different is that there is no need for a feed back
from the ignition circuit, so both the Orange / Blue wire and the Red / Blue wire should also be
tied back and insulated. Battery voltage sensing is done internally from the battery output.
“E”. I understand from 1998 on, a “Shindengen” unit is used, having a two wire block and a
four wire block.
I have not seen one yet, OR a circuit diagram, so can not advise at the moment, but any
information is welcome.
Elefant, 1987, 1988. Japanese Regulator. I have only recently looked at the regulators
on my 1987 750 and 1988 350 Elefants, to realise that they are physically smaller than the
“Ducati et al” versions, and look to be of Japanese manufacture. They have coloured wires which
terminate in a connection block identical in form to the “D” Shindengen, BUT these are for single
phase not three phase. The connections are as follows:-
2 off Yellows = 2 off Yellows input from alternator.
Black to Earth, AND also connected to mounting screw Earth.
Red with White. This is the battery “sense” wire, Notice the diode to Earth connection.
White wire (shown grey on drawing) is the main BATTERY live feed.
White with Grey. This is the output feed to the charge indicator lamp.
voila les schéma explicatif des différentes versions:
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mickey
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YESS! ça c'est du complet de chez complet,
Et pendant ce temps, nos amis bridés nous en sortent un à 12,99 euros !!!
Ca ne serait pas une imitation Shindegen ?
Mickey
Et pendant ce temps, nos amis bridés nous en sortent un à 12,99 euros !!!
Ca ne serait pas une imitation Shindegen ?
Mickey
Mickey
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lucky#45
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ce serait plutôt celui ci qu'il faut non?
http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Regulateur-Recti ... tDomain_71
http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Regulateur-Recti ... tDomain_71
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desmophil
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Ce serait merveilleux mais......................................... qui fait un essais ?
Le boitier est très ressemblant mais qu'en est il de la technologie employée ?
Ce serait merveilleux mais......................................... qui fait un essais ?
Le boitier est très ressemblant mais qu'en est il de la technologie employée ?
«Ni Dieu ni maître, même nageur !»
«Le mot liberté n'admet, par définition, aucune restriction.» JY
«Le mot liberté n'admet, par définition, aucune restriction.» JY
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Phil the bike
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J'en ai passé quelques uns... des Régulateurs 
et au final, je trouve le Lombardini excellent.
et au final, je trouve le Lombardini excellent.Quand les Dieux parlent à voix basse, on peut entendre la Paix
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Alain m'a dit qu'il utilise des régulateurs d'Aixam (voitures sans permis)... Il en est ravi et ça coûte queudalle....
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To@ne, éleveur d'Elefant.
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750 "IE" Lucky Explorer '86-'90-'01
To@ne, éleveur d'Elefant.
906 IE Lucky Explorer n°959 '92
750 "IE" Lucky Explorer '86-'90-'01
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sergio desmo
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Sergio - Faut pas mollir !
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mickey
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Mickey